1 00:00:09,650 --> 00:00:04,579 okay what about the fact that the Navy 2 00:00:13,070 --> 00:00:09,660 itself has video of something that 3 00:00:15,709 --> 00:00:13,080 appears to be what is being described in 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:15,719 this patent and this this video goes 5 00:00:22,010 --> 00:00:19,050 back to 2004 it's my understanding that 6 00:00:23,870 --> 00:00:22,020 you have to file a patent within X 7 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:23,880 period of time I think it's a year you 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:25,590 can correct me within a year of 9 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:33,090 discovery that's more or less right with 10 00:00:41,869 --> 00:00:38,280 certain qualifications really that if 11 00:00:44,209 --> 00:00:41,879 you do certain activities if you publish 12 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:44,219 it if you offer it for sale 13 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:47,129 etc then you have a year period to get 14 00:00:53,510 --> 00:00:51,270 the patent if you make it you see it 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:53,520 viable and don't do any kind of 16 00:00:58,610 --> 00:00:56,730 commercial activity with it arguably you 17 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:58,620 could wait longer to file your patents 18 00:01:02,689 --> 00:01:00,960 as long as you don't run any of the art 19 00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:02,699 ordering things like publication or 20 00:01:08,109 --> 00:01:05,760 offer for sale okay hold on I stop you 21 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:08,119 there because that's that's fascinating 22 00:01:14,149 --> 00:01:12,600 so you're saying it's possible I know 23 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:14,159 it's all sounds crazy but this whole 24 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:16,470 thing is pretty crazy it's possible that 25 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:18,630 the US Navy could have been flying them 26 00:01:26,450 --> 00:01:23,100 around in 2004 on a test basis and then 27 00:01:28,460 --> 00:01:26,460 decides to patent it in 20 forget when 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:28,470 these are filed 2017 initially something 29 00:01:34,399 --> 00:01:31,890 like that and and theoretically that 30 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:34,409 would be okay the the the as long as 31 00:01:38,030 --> 00:01:35,759 they didn't make commercial use of it 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:38,040 they could be okay filed for something 33 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:40,890 years later they could potentially as 34 00:01:45,730 --> 00:01:42,780 long as all that you know pretty much 35 00:01:48,410 --> 00:01:45,740 qualified as testing it and development 36 00:01:51,469 --> 00:01:48,420 yeah they could like they could like 37 00:01:52,969 --> 00:01:51,479 through 10-15 years do you allow of 38 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:52,979 course you've got an inherent 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:55,280 contradiction because you've got the CTO 40 00:02:03,260 --> 00:01:58,530 saying we're testing this whereas in 41 00:02:05,630 --> 00:02:03,270 2004 they're actually flying it yeah no 42 00:02:08,570 --> 00:02:05,640 I said I suppose potentially they could 43 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:08,580 have started testing in 2004 and still 44 00:02:12,559 --> 00:02:10,259 be testing and perfecting this and uh 45 00:02:13,790 --> 00:02:12,569 and it filed in then between time 46 00:02:18,230 --> 00:02:13,800 because they think 47 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:18,240 at that point is viable then you do have 48 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:22,320 the question of a why'd they filed a 49 00:02:28,270 --> 00:02:23,610 patent you wanted they really want to 50 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:28,280 tell people what they were doing and B I 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:31,290 didn't you know why didn't they enable 52 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:32,970 it more so they had a stronger patent 53 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:36,300 that they were issuing yeah so let's 54 00:02:40,910 --> 00:02:38,940 touch on that first question what what 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:40,920 is your thinking regarding the fact that 56 00:02:45,670 --> 00:02:43,410 the Navy disclosed was willing to openly 57 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:45,680 disclose all this in this patent and 58 00:02:52,690 --> 00:02:49,490 isn't it correct that you can file a 59 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:52,700 patent under some type of 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:02:56,520 confidentiality so that it's not seen by 61 00:03:03,530 --> 00:03:00,090 the public you can file the patent 62 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:03,540 application under a non publication 63 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:05,610 request so that the application is not 64 00:03:11,090 --> 00:03:08,640 seen eventually if the patent issues it 65 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:11,100 gets published and it is thing you can 66 00:03:16,010 --> 00:03:13,500 potentially after issue okay I never 67 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:16,020 knew that okay so bottom line if you 68 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:17,730 want the thing issued it's going public 69 00:03:24,380 --> 00:03:21,570 at that point yes and sorry additionally 70 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:24,390 do we know did they apply initially to 71 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:29,610 keep this protected I did not see that 72 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:31,920 in there but I did not directly look at 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:33,570 the process teaching history to see if 74 00:03:39,590 --> 00:03:35,970 they requested non-publication okay so 75 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:39,600 now I know that that would standardly be 76 00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:42,330 granted and it was published as an 77 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:44,160 application so it does not appear that 78 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:46,470 they requested it no that's kind of 79 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:50,730 weird right yeah so I mean and the whole 80 00:03:55,550 --> 00:03:53,190 thing could be you know more or less a 81 00:03:56,810 --> 00:03:55,560 red herring to redirect people's 82 00:04:01,010 --> 00:03:56,820 attention here while they're doing 83 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:01,020 something else yeah it has is the 84 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:12,690 government known to do that they do what 85 00:04:22,039 --> 00:04:17,220 they think again I mean and if that is 86 00:04:27,030 --> 00:04:22,049 going on might that also be an 87 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:27,040 explanation for how this patent examiner 88 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:30,610 working for the US Patent Office changes 89 00:04:38,490 --> 00:04:34,450 direction in response to a letter from 90 00:04:40,710 --> 00:04:38,500 the CTO from the Navy where the the 91 00:04:42,690 --> 00:04:40,720 letter really didn't provide any strong 92 00:04:44,970 --> 00:04:42,700 basis for for granting it beyond what 93 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:44,980 was already submitted yet he turns 94 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:51,010 around it could be I think from this 95 00:04:57,870 --> 00:04:55,710 from the examiner's standpoint I mean a 96 00:04:59,910 --> 00:04:57,880 he may not want to get in bed with 97 00:05:05,520 --> 00:04:59,920 somebody higher up on the government 98 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:05,530 food chain and he is B if the government 99 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:08,130 really wants the patent the issue and 100 00:05:14,460 --> 00:05:12,310 you know from his standpoint if it's not 101 00:05:16,460 --> 00:05:14,470 enabled it's probably never really a 102 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:16,470 problem because nobody's ever going to 103 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:19,630 do anything under that under the patent 104 00:05:24,690 --> 00:05:21,850 that's going to cause the patent to be 105 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:24,700 litigated or anything no yes if nobody 106 00:05:28,890 --> 00:05:26,530 can make it can actually make the 107 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:28,900 invention then nobody can get sued for 108 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:30,600 infringement it never becomes an issue 109 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:33,310 yeah I mean it certainly seems like if 110 00:05:42,990 --> 00:05:37,510 it was Joe Schmo creating this in his 111 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:43,000 garage versus the US Navy backed by a 112 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:45,190 letter from the chief technology officer 113 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:47,170 of the Navy talking about the national 114 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:50,650 security needs of this visa V China that 115 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:52,390 the Patent Office is going to treat one